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Poster: He Live's Date: Feb 24, 2008 12:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: IF NOTHING IS BORROWED...... augustish

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DIG IT!

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Poster: William Tell Date: Feb 24, 2008 9:04am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: IF NOTHING IS BORROWED...... augustish

Amazing! Was just listening to the song, from 2-18 & 2-21, 1971, last night! Great versions, sans Donna (my preference on this one).

Always loved Bob's singing on this one...

"If nothing is borrowed, nothing is lent"

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Poster: AshesRising Date: Feb 24, 2008 10:56am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: IF NOTHING IS BORROWED...... augustish

WT:
I'll state the obvious: I can always - all-ways - rely on you to understand my lack of a motive with this stuff ...all I leave behind me is only what I've found. Same is true for you and others here (eg., dudes from Providence, Florida, Germany, California, Illinois, and Arizona sending me dozens of discs ....that I don't even request!! ...sent since you guy's know I love what I love
and I want it that way.....) I like Hunter's comments
about:

"Put it down heavy, strip it down lean
Got to lay it down dirty and play it back clean" and
"Record More than You Erase."

I hope you are feeling well,
--- AshesRising

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Poster: William Tell Date: Feb 24, 2008 12:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: IF NOTHING IS BORROWED...... augustish

Doing better than last year my friend, that's for sure...it was a tough year on the personal front with lost loved ones and far too many trips to doctors to keep the body's deterioration from completely doing me in...but hey, don't think for a minute that the karmic debt between us isn't more than balanced. If your Hunter versions of Box of Rain hadn't arrived when they did, just over a year ago, I don't know that I would have had the fortitude to make it.

Hope you are hanging in there as well. Looking forward to a quiet year in most all respects but the Boys--having begun to explore some of the 71 material our good friend Arb has sent along, I am finding new shows to fill my gaps between the high energy 68-70 shows that occupy so much of my listening time.

If you haven't done so, be sure to check out the following gems from 71:

2-18
2-21
7-2
8-6
11-7
12-4 thru 12-7

Most of those have rec'd a great deal of attention from the folks hereabouts, but still a lot to be discovered. Check the fastest version of Bertha from 2-18! The first time I believe, with a nice GrStoryEtold too. First Wharf Rat as well, I think.

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Poster: AshesRising Date: Feb 24, 2008 2:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: IF NOTHING IS BORROWED...... augustish

WT:
..just FYI: don't worry too much about the "physical deterioration doin' you in." Trust me, the Other Side experience makes the experience here --- even with the assistance of Owsley's=25 --- feel as if you took a kid's chewable vitamin.
Thank You for the recommendations, however you must have forgot I only listen to the "Vince" years.........

Goin' where the water tastes like wine,
--- AshesRising

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Poster: William Tell Date: Feb 24, 2008 5:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: IF NOTHING IS BORROWED...... augustish

Well, you learn something every year...did you hear what Hunter said about Vince? Damn, can't repeat it just now, but if you listen carefully to Cosmic Charlie you can pick up on the theme.

In any case, keep posting those lyrics.

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Poster: AshesRising Date: Feb 24, 2008 6:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: IF NOTHING IS BORROWED...... augustish

WT: ...the only thing I know is that "rh" had a role in selecting Vince. One of the only Vince shows I like is the one labeled as, "Phil & Friends - 1994-09-24." It was an acoustic benefit show ....check it out sometime; it's on the archive. If I had more time I'd get the best link for you but I have a feeling I am falling, falling, falling so I gotta turn around and "see."

Here is just one link of a total of six on the archive:

http://www.archive.org/details/1994-09-24.paf.sbd.zelner-vernon.14071.sbeok.flacf [Remember: it's an acoustic show that is well-worth a listen ...at least Jerry's tunes and I think "Childhood's End" is where Vince shines.]

--- AshesRising

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Poster: William Tell Date: Feb 24, 2008 6:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: IF NOTHING IS BORROWED...... augustish

Okay, now you got my attention...I was taking you in a lyrical, "Ashes esque" fashion, but now I will have to start paying more attention.

On your advice, I will give this some serious thought. Thanks my friend.

Be well.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Feb 25, 2008 12:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I BORROWED this for Ashes......

Just in case you've missed then your journey with all things Hunter:

(Reprinted without permission from the May 14, 1991 Marin Independent Journal)

A FATHER SURVIVES HIS GRIEF: Time heals pain for poet behind the Grateful Dead
By Paul Liberatore, IJ senior features writer

"I will get by. I will survive."
Robert Hunter wrote those lines in "Touch of Grey," the Grateful Dead's biggest hit. And sure enough, Hunter, the band's principal lyricist for the past 20 years, has survived. As he prepares to turn 50, he's getting by pretty well, too, considering the pain and sorrow he's endured.
"I've had a tough couple of years to pull out of," he says, sitting behind a desk one afternoon in the Grateful Dead's office in San Rafael, where he also lives. "I had a tragedy that threw me for a loop for a couple of years."
The tragedy Hunter speaks of is every parent's worst nightmare: the death of a child. He lost his teen-age son unexpectedly four years ago, and the grinding sorrow that has consumed him has only now begun to subside.
"I'm as recovered as you can get after four years," he says. "When it happened, I called (Ken) Kesey. He'd lost his son, too. I asked him what to do. He said to give it time. It will heal over." So Hunter gave it time.
"I didn't do any drugs," he says. "I took tranquilizers for a couple of days, but after that, nothing. I tried to face it. It's like AA. It's one day at a time, and it does work if you want to survive. I didn't want to slam the door (on my emotions). These things come out. They'll break you. They'll give you diseases."
The heartbreaking episode, Hunter says, "threw me into an introverted place. It made me think about life and my philosophy. You have to have a great deal of faith that time is a healer. There was nothing I wanted more than to have years pass. Now I can look at pictures and videos. The healing has happened."
While in mourning, Hunter says, "I did the only thing I knew how to do. I wrote."
Over the past two-plus decades, he has written the words to classic songs like "Friend of the Devil," "Uncle John's Band," "Ripple" and "Dark Star". But he hasn't written a song in years. Instead, almost as a form of creative
therapy, he wrote a collection of poems, titled "Night Cadre," that has just been published by Viking.
"It does tend to be dark, with edges of hopefulness," he says of the book. "The examinations are about as close to the bone as poetry gets."
Hunter brightens when he mentions a favorable review in the Library Journal. "They didn't knock it," he says. "They said it might even be interesting to
a general poetry audience."
A literary bent runs in his family. His father, Norman M. Hunter, of Novato, who just celebrated his 86th birthday, is a former editor for Harcourt, Brace and McGraw Hill.
Hunter will read from "Night Cadre" and sign books on June 22 at Cody's Books in Berkeley. Viking has also recently published "A Box of Rain," an anthology of lyrics that Hunter wrote for the Dead, the New Riders, the
Jefferson Starship, Bob Dylan and others.
As a tribute to him as much as anyone else in the Grateful Dead family, Arista Records has just released "Deadicated," interpretations of the band's
songs by musicians as diverse as Elvis Costello ("Ship of Fools"), Dwight Yoakum ("Truckin'") and Dr. John ("Deal").
"Before this, I always wondered why other people didn't cover Grateful Dead songs," he says. "I guess they had that Grateful Dead freak stigma. I wondered about that. I thought I was being singled out."
Over the years, Hunter has had lucrative offers to use his songs in commercials, but, with one exception, he's turned them down.
"I don't know how many offers I've had for 'Truckin,'" he says. "Not to be too proud, I let Datsun use it in Canada. But I turned down Levi's. They were offering a wastebasket full of money, like a half a million. But I
wanted to keep the product clean in that way."
Hunter, a singer and guitarist in his own right, has also revived his performing career and is playing gigs with experimental pianist Tom Constanten, who played with the Grateful Dead from 1968 to 1970.
"I went on the road last December," he says. "That was my announcement that my mourning period was over. I'm going to go out again. I'll do a short tour every year."
Rykodisk, the specialty record label, has recently re-released two of Hunter's album, "Tiger Rose" and "Tales of the Great Rum Runners," on compact disc.
Hunter is also anxious to start writing songs again for the Grateful Dead with Jerry Garcia, his longtime collaborator. The two of them go way back to their folkie-jug band days in Palo Alto in the early '60s.
Hunter seems to have his old energy back. Maybe it's because he and wife Maureen have something new in their lives, a 2 1/2-year-old daughter. "I'll be 50 in June, so it's kind of hard to keep up with a 2 1/2-year-old," he says. "What a treasure she is, such a beautiful little girl. She's made life possible again."

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Poster: William Tell Date: Feb 25, 2008 12:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: IF NOTHING IS BORROWED...... augustish

There you go again...name is changing...all I know is it happened. Is there any rhyme or reason to it?

What's in a name? Punctuation comes and goes, but names of real entities are forever, unless the ICZN deems otherwise.

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Poster: AshesRising Date: Feb 25, 2008 2:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: IF NOTHING IS BORROWED...... augustish

WT: Are you referring to He_Lives name? If so, I found that with Internet Explorer it automatically distorts the format of his name, however when I use the Firefox browser the format appears correctly. ...or are you referring to something different?

--- AshesRising

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Poster: William Tell Date: Feb 25, 2008 2:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: IF NOTHING IS BORROWED...... augustish

OMG! Is THAT it? Trust me, with my home system, always using the same browser, it comes up sometimes as "He Live's" and sometimes as the more complex version showing now, so I assumed, despite his protestations, that he was dicking around just to annoy an old fart with failing eyesight...if not, it isn't nearly as exciting, but perhaps more explicable.

Thanks Ashes for that clarification; you may have solved the mystery, but in so doing, reduced the mystery of this place...is that your role? Probably so--you tend to do just that I find--in a good way too.

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Poster: AshesRising Date: Feb 25, 2008 4:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: IF NOTHING IS BORROWED...... augustish

WT: "He Live's" is a high-quality dude. I've been fortunate to have him share his knowledge with me. When I tried Firefox I realized the problem with the weird formatting of his name. I posted this with Internet Explorer v6.0.2900.2180.

--- AshesRising

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Poster: AshesRising Date: Feb 25, 2008 4:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: IF NOTHING IS BORROWED...... augustish

WT: "He Live's" is a high-quality dude. I've been fortunate to have him share his knowledge with me. When I tried Firefox I realized the problem with the weird formatting. I sent this email via Firefox.

--- AshesRising

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Poster: William Tell Date: Feb 25, 2008 4:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: IF NOTHING IS BORROWED...... augustish

Hey, I couldn't agree more...He Live's, whatever his appellation, is cool by me too.

Did you check out the Hunter info yet? Not sure if you have seen that to date, but resonated with me what with all the losses suffered of late.

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Poster: AshesRising Date: Feb 25, 2008 4:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: IF NOTHING IS BORROWED...... augustish

WT: ..truth be told: I saw it several years ago and it ripped the heart out of my chest. I went numb for about two weeks. The only interview I have never sent to anybody except a couple of dudes who were already aware of the tragedy. Again, I inquire, "Who makes the moves?"

Time for me to leave this space for a while and return to my own book/screenplay, "Dream of Consciousness."

I always wish you all the best -- in all ways,
--- AshesCrawling

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Poster: William Tell Date: Feb 25, 2008 4:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: IF NOTHING IS BORROWED...... augustish

We're cool; for your journey:

You must leave now, take what you need, you think will last.
But whatever you wish to keep, you better grab it fast.
Yonder stands your orphan with his gun,
Crying like a fire in the sun.
Look out the saints are comin' through
And it's all over now, Baby Blue.

The highway is for gamblers, better use your sense.
Take what you have gathered from coincidence.
The empty-handed painter from your streets
Is drawing crazy patterns on your sheets.
This sky, too, is folding under you
And it's all over now, Baby Blue.

All your seasick sailors, they are rowing home.
All your reindeer armies, are all going home.
The lover who just walked out your door
Has taken all his blankets from the floor.
The carpet, too, is moving under you
And it's all over now, Baby Blue.

Leave your stepping stones behind, something calls for you.
Forget the dead you've left, they will not follow you.
The vagabond who's rapping at your door
Is standing in the clothes that you once wore.
Strike another match, go start anew
And it's all over now, Baby Blue.

B Dylan

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Poster: He Live's Date: Feb 26, 2008 9:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: IF NOTHING IS BORROWED...... augustish

thanks for vouching for me ashes.... you are held likewise, "quality dude".....

good to see you back around here,
cheers




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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Feb 26, 2008 5:00am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: IF NOTHING IS BORROWED...... augustish

Thanks for clearing that up, I'm such a knucklehead I thought it was two different people He Lives and He Liveapos.

Oh and thanks for the good insights and recommendations as always - I can't keep up with all of the good recommendations so usually 'spin the dial' so to speak. Currently find myself stuck in 73 where i would have been 9 or 10 yrs old and into model airplanes and riding my
Schwinn Typhoon.

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Poster: AshesRising Date: Feb 24, 2008 6:57am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: IF NOTHING IS BORROWED...... augustish

DISCLAIMER: DON'T READ THIS POST [..just excerpts so I don't piss-off a lot of people on a Sun-Day; also, just the lyrics ...no commentary. Don't read it, otherwise, look in the mirror.]

Fire On The Mountain

Lyrics: Robert Hunter
Music: Mickey Hart

Almost ablaze, still you don't feel the heat
It takes all you got just to stay on the beat
You say it's a living, we all gotta eat
But you're here alone, there's no one to compete
If mercy's in business, I wish it for you
More than just ashes when your dreams come true....

Baby's in scarlet, her shackles in gray
If loves to love she's got it salted away
Out of the rat trap and under the wire
Out of the frying pan and into the fire
Put it down heavy, strip it down lean
Got to lay it down dirty and play it back clean

You gave all you had, why you want to give more?
The more that you give, the more it will take
[@Ice Nine Publishing, 1968 - 1995, and Robert Hunter, 1967 - 2008]

The following note is courtesy of our buddie, Alex Allan, at
"Grateful Dead Lyric And Song Finder" http://www3.clearlight.com/~acsa/intro.htm
[@Alex Allan, 1995 - 2008; great guy]
Robert Hunter says this in "Box Of Rain" about writing this song: Written at Mickey Hart's ranch in heated inspiration as the surrounding hills blazed and the fire approached the recording studio where we were working; verses three and four don't appear on the Grateful Dead recording of this song, but lines five and six of verse three became one of our mottoes, along with "Record More than You Erase."
[@Robert Hunter, A Box of Rain: Lyrics 1965 - 1993 Expanded edition; Author: Robert Hunter
Expanded version publication date: 1993 (Penguin USA)
Cover illustration by Maureen Hunter
The expanded edition of Box Of Rain collects Hunter's song lyrics, for the Grateful Dead and others, up to 1993. It includes brief annotations to some songs and a discography. Lyrics for songs written in the early 1990's (such as "Days Between" and "Lazy River Road") that were not included in the 1990 edition are included here. This edition also includes a new preface by Robert Hunter.]

--- AshesRising

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Poster: Jerrob Hungar Date: Feb 25, 2008 2:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: IF NOTHING IS BORROWED...... augustish

'Fireman, fireman, call off your dog
This isn't a blaze, it's just a hog in the log
Cut up in sections, squirming alive
Lost to the world on that fifty-cent jive
There's a fire on the mountain, running around
What doesn't go up can never come down

Wound in barbed wire, hell I ain't sore
Only hurts when I laugh, or roll on the floor
Only hurts a little, at least that's what I'm told
When you drown in hot oil it can even feel cold
I know I'm in love but I can't tell you why
It feels like poison, shoot me down when I cry'

Ashes
I was thinking about the Hunter lyrics for the two songs you put up for our delectation, 'with no attempts to shovel the glimpse into the ditch of what each one means'. But in my opinion, Fire on the Mountain has some of the most uncomfortable images Hunter has ever conjured up. Reminds me of stuff like dancing on the titanic, the court of Louis XVI, a musician with arthritis, an artist with blindness, a writer with writer's block.

This is from the unpublished letters of Hermann Hesse:
'Life is meaningless, cruel, stupid, and nevertheless magnificent - it does not make fun of man (for that requires intelligence), but concerns itself with man no more than with the earthworm. To suppose that man in particular is a whim and cruel game of nature is a fallacy that man himself has thought up because he takes himself too seriously. First of all, we must recognize that we men have no harder time of it than birds or ants, that actually our life is easier and more beautiful. We must take the cruelty of life and the inexorability of death into ouselves, not by moaning but by experiencing our despair to the full. Only then, only when we have taken all the cruelty or meaninglessness of nature into ourselves, can we begin to confront this brutal meaninglessness and to force a meaning on it. That is the highest achievement man is capable of, and it is all he is capable of. Everything else is done better by animals.
Most men do not suffer from meaninglessness, any more than the earthworm does. But precisely the few who do suffer and look for meaning are the meaning of mankind'.

I'm waiting for Bill to make fotm his sotm.
(hope you got my e-mail)

p.s. Thank you so much for re-minding us of the Berkeley show, Ashes. I had a smile like the cheshire cat from Bobby's intro to the last note and beyond. Wonderful stuff, love everything, Dupree's rocks


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Poster: AshesRising Date: Feb 25, 2008 3:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: IF NOTHING IS BORROWED...... augustish

Jerrob Hungar:
Wow! I had never seen that Hesse unplublished quote... I like the fact that he sought a path of solitude, however I'd like to believe I am much more optimistic than him. I've got a lot of faith in the power of one's Mind to change not only one's experience of Life, but to help change other's who may be struggling with their experience of Life in this world.
Thank You for the email - I was composing one of my typical wise-ass responses, however though my spirit is willing, my body is ill nowadays so the response remains as a "Draft" never to be sent. Here: that post was the exact opposite from how it was perceived... my fault, I know, however I use this space to write non-sense when I get "writer's block" for the stuff that I am really working on here at "No-Man's-Land Motel." ..I never even considered that it could be interpreted in the manner stated in your email. ..sorry about that....
This will be my last post for a while, however all is well. I hope you and the family are doing well.

--- AshesRising

JH: ..for whatever it is not worth: one of my only in-depth conversations with "JG" was about "The Glass Bead Game" ("Magister Ludi"). Needless to state the obvious.... he really enjoyed that final Hesse novel. More info here:
http://home.earthlink.net/~hipbone/IDTWeb/Hesse.html